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Kurt Gödel’s Incompleteness theorem is well known in Mathematics/Logic/Philosophy circles. Gödel was able to find a way for any given P (UTM), (read as, “P of UTMforProgram of Universal Truth Machine”), actually to write down a complicated polynomial that has a solution iff (=if and only if), G is true, where G stands for a Gödel-sentence. So, if G’s truth is a necessary condition for the truth of a given polynomial, then P (UTM) has to answer first that G is true in order to secure the truth of the said polynomial. But, interestingly, P (UTM) could never answer that G was true. This necessarily implies that there is at least one truth a P (UTM), however large it may be, cannot speak out. Daya Krishna and Karl Potter’s controversy regarding the construal of India’s Philosophies dates back to the time of Potter’s publication of “Presuppositions of India’s Philosophies” (1963, Englewood Cliffs Prentice-Hall Inc.) In attacking many of India’s philosophies, Daya Krishna appears to have unwittingly touched a crucial point: how can there be the knowledge of a ‘non-cognitive’ mokṣa? [‘mokṣa’ is the final state of existence of an individual away from Social Contract]—See this author’s Indian Social Contract and its Dissolution (2008) mokṣa does not permit the knowledge of one’s own self in the ordinary way with threefold distinction, i.e., subject–knowledge-object or knower–knowledge–known. But what is important is to demonstrate whether such ‘knowledge’ of non-cognitive mokṣa state can be logically shown, in a language, to be possible to attain, and that there is no contradiction involved in such demonstration, because, no one can possibly express the ‘experience-itself’ in language. Hence, if such ‘knowledge’ can be shown to be logically not impossible in language, then, not only Daya Krishna’s arguments against ‘non-cognitive mokṣa’ get refuted but also it would show the possibility of achieving ‘completeness’ in its truest sense, as opposed to Gödel’s ‘Incompleteness’. In such circumstances, man would himself become a Universal Truth Machine. This is because the final state of mokṣa is construed as the state of complete knowledge in Advaita. This possibility of ‘completeness’ is set in this paper in the backdrop of Śrī Śaṅkarācārya’s Advaitic (Non-dualistic) claim involved in the mahāvākyas (extra-ordinary propositions). (Mahāvākyas that Śaṅkara refers to are basically taken from different Upaniṣads. For example, “Aham Brahmāsmi” is from Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upanisad, and “Tattvamasi” is from Chāndogya Upaniṣad. Śrī Śaṅkarācārya has written extensively. His main works include his Commentary on Brahma-Sūtras, on major Upaniṣads, and on ŚrīmadBhagavadGītā, called Bhāṣyas of them, respectively. Almost all these works are available in English translation published by Advaita Ashrama, 5 Dehi Entally Road, Calcutta, 700014.) On the other hand, the ‘Incompleteness’ of Gödel is due to the intervening G-sentence, which has an adverse self-referential element. Gödel’s incompleteness theorem in its mathematical form with an elaborate introduction by R.W. Braithwaite can be found in Meltzer (Kurt Gödel: on formally undecidable propositions of principia mathematica and related systems. Oliver & Boyd, Edinburgh, 1962). The present author believes first that semantic content cannot be substituted by any amount of arithmoquining, (Arithmoquining or arithmatization means, as Braithwaite says,—“Gödel’s novel metamathematical method is that of attaching numbers to the signs, to the series of signs (formulae) and to the series of series of signs (“proof-schemata”) which occur in his formal system…Gödel invented what might be called co-ordinate metamathematics…”) Meltzer (1962 p. 7). In Antone (2006) it is said “The problem is that he (Gödel) tries to replace an abstract version of the number (which can exist) with the concept of a real number version of that abstract notion. We can state the abstraction of what the number needs to be, [the arithmoquining of a number cannot be a proof-pair and an arithmoquine] but that is a concept that cannot be turned into a specific number, because by definition no such number can exist.”.), especially so where first-hand personal experience is called for. Therefore, what ultimately rules is the semanticity as in a first-hand experience. Similar points are voiced, albeit implicitly, in Antone (Who understands Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, 2006). (“…it is so important to understand that Gödel’s theorem only is true with respect to formal systems—which is the exact opposite of the analogous UTM (Antone (2006) webpage 2. And galatomic says in the same discussion chain that “saying” that it ((is)) only true for formal systems is more significant… We only know the world through “formal” categories of understanding… If the world as it is in itself has no incompleteness problem, which I am sure is true, it does not mean much, because that is not the world of time and space that we experience. So it is more significant that formal systems are incomplete than the inexperiencable ‘World in Itself’ has no such problem.—galatomic”) Antone (2006) webpage 2. Nevertheless galatomic certainly, but unwittingly succeeds in highlighting the possibility of experiencing the ‘completeness’ Second, even if any formal system including the system of Advaita of Śaṅkara is to be subsumed or interpreted under Gödel’s theorem, or Tarski’s semantic unprovability theses, the ultimate appeal would lie to the point of human involvement in realizing completeness since any formal system is ‘Incomplete’ always by its very nature as ‘objectual’, and fails to comprehend the ‘subject’ within its fold.

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Notes

  1. For Frege’s discussion of identity statements such as “Morning star is evening star”, see Moore (1993). Also see Krishna (1998, p. 13) for Krishna’s hidden discomfiture with the non-cognitive mokṣa and its possibility. Even though, apparently, Krishna refers to the “experiential” aspect, which may even be “subjective”, it is completely clear from his approach to Advaita that he is continuously dwelling on the experiences that are normally regarded as “subjective” but on Advaitic construal the same being “objective” away from the true Subject.

  2. Potter (1972) and Krishna (1984) on p. 49 admits that the controversy between Potter and him began almost two decades ago, i.e., in or around 1964. The actual contention about the impossibility of non-cognitive mokşa occurred as a consequence of this controversy. Having contended this in his article of 1984, Krishna’s later article of 1998, “Is ‘Tattvam Asi’…”, can be seen as an effort to defend this position. This shows, therefore, Krishna’s perennial discomfiture.

  3. A detailed discussion on arithmoquining can be found in Antone (2006) and in Meltzer (1962).

  4. Krishna (1996).

  5. Krishna (1996, p. 20).

  6. Even more basic idea is the attempt at exposing a category incongruity between non-cognitive-mokṣa and cognitive mokṣa. This, if true, then it would annul the Potterian idea of “spiritual liberation” as the central concern of Indian Philosophy. If there is no way to spiritual liberation, then the central concern of Indian Philosophy cannot possibly be “spiritual liberation”. However, our answer to the “question of non-cognitive mokṣa” as logically conceivable, if acceptable, would remove the hurdle of supposed category-incongruity. Category-incongruity means that one cannot meaningfully classify the two alleged types of experience under the rubric of “experience”; thus, DK holds, while cognitive experiences may be called as “experience”, non-cognitive “experience” cannot be really called as experience. I quote—“Now an ‘intellectual moment’ cannot make a non-cognitive quest cognitive. …And does mokṣa represent “an ideal state of cognitive attainment” in the usual sense which is attached to the wordcognitive’?” (italicization mine) Krishna (1984, p. 57).

  7. For example, nowhere in his works Śaṅkara claims “Aham Brahmāsmi” himself. All that he does is to quote such a sentence from sources as having been claimed by a “Self”. “This Self was indeed Brahman in the beginning. It knew only Itself as ‘I am Brahman’…” “Idamagra āsīt tadātmanamevāvetAham Brahmasmīti’//See Mādhavānanda (1934, p. 100), Bṛhadāraņyaka Upaniṣad I.iv.10. Brahman being all-pervasive and homogeneous, and without a second, by definition, there would positively be no communicative mode either. If one makes a communication, then it would not only imply that there is a communicative mode but also that there is someone else, who is receiving such communications. See Perrett (1984) for a detailed, but somewhat different, discussion of Self-Refutations, especially, Operational Self-refutation.

  8. Warrier (1983, p. 106) Compare Śrī Kṛṣṇa’s definitional statement of action : “None indeed, even for a moment, remains without doing work. All, being dependent, are made to work by the constituents of Prakṛti.” “Na hi kaścit kśaṇamapi jātu tiṣ ṭtatyakarmakṛt/kāryate hyavaśaḥ karma sarvaḥ Prakṛtirjairguṇaiḥ//” B.G III.5.

  9. See Kumar (2001). I had made this query about whether a realized person in Advaita is able to make a claim “Aham Brahmāsmi”. The reply given by D. N. Tiwari (2001) appears to have entirely missed the point.

  10. Precisely this idea of elimination seems to have been used by Śaṅkara, when he reiterates the necessity to have “apprehension” of both the entities in an “I-Adhyāsa”. Thus, when one eliminates all non-self entities involved in Adhyāsa, what conceptually remains is the “Self”. See Kumar (2006) for details of Adhyāsa.

  11. Elimination logic presupposes a restricted universal, as for example, a small box containing ten chalk pieces of different colors, is first known to be so. When nine colors are eliminated, one could at once infer that the tenth color is what is being referred to, by a process of elimination.

  12. Gödel’s “Formal System” (P) is described “by specifying (1) its basic signs, (2) its formulae (i.e.) its well-formed formulae, (3) its “axioms” (initial formulae), (4) the relation of being an “immediate consequence” of. He says that P is “essentially the system obtained by superimposing on the Peano axioms (for whole number arithmetic) the logic of PM (Principia Mathematica)” (p. 41)” Meltzer (1962, p. 6).

  13. Braithwaite in his introduction to Meltzer (1962 at p. 4) says—“Since his ((Gödel’s)) proof is metamathematical he is concerned with a calculus representing his arithmetical system: what he proves in Proposition VI (p. 57) is a result about the calculus and not about what the calculus represents, for what it directly establishes is that neither of two particular formulae—the first referred to by “17 Gen r”, the second by “Neg (17 Gen r)” (p. 59)—can be obtained from the initial formulae of the calculus by the rules of symbolic manipulation of the calculus. If the calculus is interpreted (as it can be interpreted) so that it represents the arithmetical part of the Principia Mathematica deductive system, with the second formula expressing the contradictory of the arithmetical proposition expressed by the first formula, then the theorem about the deductive system which corresponds to the calculus-theorem states that the proposition g to which “17 Gen r” refers is such that neither it nor its contradictory is provable nor disprovable.” Now, one could claim that if Gödel’s calculus is interpretable in terms of any formal system, and that Advaitic system is one such formal system, then, even Advaitic system cannot lie outside the ambit of Gödel’s conclusion of “incompleteness”. This is true so long as, or rather only so long as the “human involvement” is not fulfilled. The same reply would be given even if Tarski’s unprovability theorems that were semantical are brought as counter to Advaitic semantical claim. See p. 29 ff of Meltzer (1962) for Braithwaite’s elaboration on the semantic and syntactic contents in Gödel.

  14. Denton (2009) Please scroll down for Rucker’s “Infinity and the Mind”, http://www.miskatonic.org/godel.html.

  15. See Asimov’s (1951, 1952, 1953, 1994) Foundation Series/Robot series.

  16. In view of the proposition “Aham Brahmāsmi” being understood as an identity proposition, in reality it should not have deterred Śaṅkara from claiming it, since then by definition whatever is Brahman would be identical with “I”. However, it appears that common people being used to the linguistic mode of communication, even uttering (including writing) a shortest claim as “I am…(Brahman)” would be construed as self-refuting because of the emergence of a real linguistic mode of communication. If this obstacle of vākyavṛtti were not to be there, perhaps Śaṅkara would have claimed the proposition “Aham Brahmāsmi” himself.

  17. Gambhīrānanda (1982), Muņdaka Upaniṣad III.ii.9. p. 169, “Sa yo ha vai tat paramam brahma veda brahmaiva bhavati…/”—“Anyone who knows that Supreme Brahman becomes Brahman indeed…”.

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I reverentially dedicate this article at the lotus-feet of my law-Guru, ‘Abhinava Madhvācārya’ Shri Dattatreya Babarao Ambekar, Santa Cruz, Goa.

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Vinaya Kumar, U.A. An Indian solution to ‘incompleteness’. AI & Soc 24, 351–364 (2009). https://doi.org/10.1007/s00146-009-0209-2

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