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Hedonism in Plato's Protagoras

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  11 February 2009

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Perhaps the most important contribution to the history of Greek philosophy that has been made during the last twenty years is to be found in the work under-taken by Professors Burnet and A. E. Taylor in reconstructing the personality of the historical Socrates. There is, by this time, fairly general agreement that it is not to Xenophon's Memorabilia but to Plato's dialogues that we must go if we are to attempt to understand what Socrates meant for his own age and for all time. But Socrates' gain has been Plato's loss. We are compelled to deny to Plato any power of really original thinking until at least his fortieth year. He is, indeed, still left in possession of supreme literary and dramatic genius; but all that he wrote, down to and including the Republic, is not the fruit of his own thought, but the careful record of the thought of Socrates.

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Copyright © The Classical Association 1928

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page 39 note 1 Taylor, , Plato, p. 21Google Scholar.

page 39 note 2 I say nothing of his metaphysical convictions, as I do not wish to raise the question of the origin of the Ideal Theory.

page 40 note 1 E.g. Aeschines' Aspasia replies that Socrates held views about women of which Rep. V. is a natural development.

page 40 note 2 λγειν τε ναγκσθην κτλ., ‘an unmistakable allusion to the occurrence of the same statement in Rep. 499 sqq.’ (Taylor, , Plato, p. 20)Google Scholar.

page 40 note 3 Xen, . Mem. III. ix. 10Google Scholar.

page 40 note 4 Later in the Meno (89c) he is represented as even doubting the equation ρετ = πιστμη. This I would interpret as meaning that Plato was then still unable to see in what sense the equation was true. The end of the dialogue suggests that Plato was on the way to seeing, what he sees in the Republic, that the equation is ideally true.

page 40 note 5 I. 336c.

page 40 note 6 408C-E, 409A, τνα ϕαμν εἶναι τν π τῇ τς ψνχς ρετῇ τχνην; λεγσθω cf. Xen. Mem. I. iv. 1 (which may allude to the Clitopho), and Grote, , Plato III., pp. 21–24Google Scholar.

page 40 note 7 Wilamowitz, however, thinks it a very early dialogue, written in Socrates' lifetime.

page 40 note 8 Platon I., p. 150. ‘Wir mögen immer sagen, er wird wissen, dass das wahrhaft Angenehme nur dass sittlich Gute ist, so dass dieser Hedonismus nicht schädlich sein wird: dann bleibtes doch dabei, dass von dieser Hauptsache hiernichts steht.’ This is an adequate answer to Ritter, (Platon I., pp. 426430)Google Scholar, who sees no discrepancy with the Gorgias. But Ritter, is right in saying (p. 339) ‘es wird der Versuch gemacht mainrait einer selbständigen Begründung der Ethik.’Google Scholar

page 41 note 1 Ibid.

page 41 note 2 Plato, p. 258.

page 41 note 3 Camb. Anc. Hist. VI., p. 313.

page 41 note 4 ὑπερϕνς δκει ἅπασιν ληθ εῖναι τ εἱρημνα.

page 41 note 5 353E 5 sqq. is especially significant: οὐκον ϕανεται, ὦ ἄνθρωποι, ὑμῖν, ὥς ϕαμν γώ τε κα Πρωταγρας, δι' οὐδν ἄλλο τατα κακ ντα ἢ διτι εἰς νας τε ποτεντᾷ και ἄλλων δονν ποστερεῖ; In view of this, how can Professor Taylor maintain that ‘Socrates is careful to insist over and over again that the appeal is being made to the standards of the mass of mankind’?

page 42 note 1 There are at least apparent fallacies to the argument at 331A and 333B; but that is another matter: they do not affect Socrate's sincerity.

page 42 note 2 To explain γαθν as meaning ὠϕλιμον, as the Xenophontic Socrates does (Mem. IV. vi. 8), implies that all particular good things and actions are means to an end, but throws no light on the nature of the end itself.

page 42 note 3 The Protagoras contains the first attempt to as explain the meaning of ρετ as a whole, if we assume that the Gorgias is later.