Abstract

Let K$^0_\lambda$ be the class of structures $\langle\lambda,<, A\rangle$, where $A \subseteq \lambda$ is disjoint from a club, and let K$^1_\lambda$ be the class of structures $\langle\lambda,<,A\rangle$, where $A \subseteq \lambda$ contains a club. We prove that if $\lambda = \lambda^{<\kappa}$ is regular, then no sentence of L$_{\lambda+\kappa}$ separates K$^0_\lambda$ and K$^1_\lambda$. On the other hand, we prove that if $\lambda = \mu^+,\mu = \mu^{<\mu}$, and a forcing axiom holds, then there is a sentence of L$_{\lambda\lambda}$ which separates K$^0_\lambda$ and K$^1_\lambda$.