2010-04-16
Describing zombies
   

Ah. I wrongly assumed the subjects felt they were doing more then just randomly guessing. Back to the drawing board then. Let's say the subject is receiving information of which he's unaware to guide his answers. Is there any justification for calling these 'experiences.' 

[I think Ned Block thinks that blind sighters have no experiences.  I think he thinks that experiences require what he calls P-consciousness, phenomenal consciousness. That’s what I think, anyhow. Phenomenal consciousness is essential to experience. Block appeals to the blind sight experiment as a plausible example in which people are in states which have some weak degree of Access Consciousness but no Phenomenal Consciousness; so they have no blind sight experiences.]


I'd say not, since I associate experiences with awareness.

[Well, experience and awareness typically go together. Cases of neurological damage, like blind sight, appear to be cases where our ordinary way of thinking is challenged because experience and awareness apparently come apart. The blind sighters have some awareness of what’s in the visual field, though they don’t know it, but no experiences of what’s there, because there is no phenomenal consciousness involved. So they have awareness without experience. Awareness is insufficient for experience. But this isn’t new. There are plenty of systems without experience but with awareness. I believe you earlier gave the example of the thermostat.

Again, cases of neurological damage can be very valuable, however sad they may be, because conscious phenomena that we thought of as inextricably linked appear to come apart. ]

So, zombies can be conscious and have experiences, but none that they are aware of. 

[What makes zombies zombies, I submit, is that they have no experiences. By hypothesis, they totally lack phenomenal consciousness. However as far as I can tell nothing prevents them from having all the other sorts of consciousness that Ned Block considers. They can be aware of their environment, as the radar system is aware of its environment, they can monitor their own internal states (as my computer does), and they can have states with Access Consciousness (informational states whose informational content is readily available throughout the system, again my computer). Physical systems without experiences can already do those things, I submit. What zombies lack is Phenomenal Consciousness.]